“If I lived in the middle part of Siberia, then I wouldn’t be near the West from either side of the globe.” – Luke Skywalker, continued from the main page.
Aunt Natalia says:
Dear Luke, Fellow Pioneers & Aspiring Settlers.
Latitude-wise, Former Soviet Province is relatively uniform in women’s attitudes. Central TV and Press are everywhere, forming the common “communicational background”. Also there should be jobs, goods, housing & conveniences, books and entertainments to keep people from growing as desperate as angry, self-destructive and… fugitive.
Comrade GL has evidently given some good directions from Siberia. Now what can I add since you asked?
1. You can spare your effort from measuring and comparing the exact degree of “traditionalism” per geographiс unit. It is like defining the median temperature of patients per entire hospital…
…but more futile, because temperature is just one criterion, and “marriageability” consists of many ideas and habits about a thousand biggies and trifles of daily life, for This Very Man and This Very Woman.
When they meet, these ideas and habits may even transform, to a different extent (sometimes the more under the influence of cross-cultural discovery) – two-way, reciprocally! – or contain exceptions for the Significant Other. (A nearest example: I don’t measure myself by “cooking qualifications”, yet I always collect interesting recipes, and can pop up to swing into some of them for the pure inspiration of pleasing the man a new time… which is dozenth-power more fun than treating friends, with whom we go to cafés, buy / order dainties, or do with teas-fruits-sweets.)
Even imagining if there could be Luke Scale of Femininity introduced and womenfolk ranked along it, – a plus-minus hundred of your “Top Brides” per 10000 of population won’t influence your quest! You meet 5, or 50 girls of some similar traits, whom God or Fate sends to the kind of man you are (not the statistical thousands of all types!), and need but 1.
2. It’s hard to be King & Queen in no Kingdom. Excitement of adventure calms down, and you start noticing Environment, – it just bursts into your life, revenging against neglection.
Relying on what I’ve said about the relative proximity of chances, think not where you can meet a Princess, but where you can LIVE with her.
If you find yourself in love with a girl from a messy location… Picking a flower at one place in Russia only to move to another place in Russia is far from productive. Imagine, you are a total stranger. She ought to be your guardian until you’re able to become hers, as it is due. And suddenly she has to lose even those footholds and backups she used to have…
I forecast there are very many “Alien Princesses” all over “Siberia” you can fall in love with, head over heels!
Also it would be risky to judge a place by people’s attitude to you. Everywhere you’ll face a mass of indifferent people, and a vanguard of attentive encounters who’ll downshine them into oblivion, by pampering a stranger into fairy-tale bliss in the best way of Traditional Hospitality to Guests,.. which sometimes may have nothing to do with routine habits of the neighborhood.
Like, those Siberian men who burnt down a village priest’s house with himself and all his family inside, because he had not let them take away church appliances and icons for selling to buy booze.
And here I give a casual “photo session” of Standard “Real (Cool)” Russian Guys. Fervent commentors characterize them as the Face of Province (over 90% population) and the Face of Violence (over anyone helpless against the gang, or appearing slightly better-off). Some argue that morals also dwell beyond capital cities, and it’s metrosexual idlers and yesterday’s louts that badmouth these guys in deserved fear. I would agree with both points, and underscore that
(1) the pandemic air of province is Lack of Interests and Achievements Other than Drinking and Fighting; those who “grow out” of these shoes, strive “out of the bog”;
(2) do your face-reading homework to avoid bad risks.
So, think as an astronaut. Heading off to the Siberia System? Okay.
Find there a “planet” with safe and compatible climate (natural, socioeconomical, even architectural or what else you may find important as to be surrounded with) where YOU can Comfortably Survive in, and with enough infrastructure previously developed. Retain the cord of connection & oxygen supply after landing.
(As an alternative, imagine splurging in a bog to flounce your time and effort keeping your nose above the surface and Putting Up With All Around…
…you know, to a Russian first time abroad, the Top Cultural Shock is shampoo-washed pavements, and a Mindblowing Wild Adventure is needing no dust-off after sitting on the rocks of the Alps. On such contrast, it feels depressive back at home.
For all this, you need Signals of Civilization, and preliminary Distant Exploration.
Then your telescope, probe, pass code, source of Force, and SOS station = INTERNET.
UPD: Unless you’ve hired EIU or “Mercer” for surveys of such detail… )
Look if a city / town is mapped on the Web. I don’t mean “if there’s a such-named dot on a Google map”. I mean, whether this location has any “virtual representation” of its Vital Facilities: banks, transport services, businesses, housing, medical clinics, etc. Unless it’s such a backward alley of Galaxy where mostly disabled aborigines, and mutants have remained, – the place must have developed some online network around itself. At least in Russian language. But what you need is an alien-friendly interface of interest, support and common language!
So, rely on English-language resources. Just stay alert for “pirates” specially baiting for gullible travelers. There are.
Wikipedia gives nice basics for “Siberia” and “Siberian Federal District“. These entries readily contain a bunch of links to cities and regions. So you can browse the Web for each of them. (Luke, check Akademgorodok!)
Choose a region by its natural landscape, if you wish, dig carefully for the “dossier” on the locality’s ecology, but also keep in mind the following criteria of prime importance.
* Banks. Is there any solid, all-country-level, preferably international or foreign-invested bank partnering with any of those operating in your country, and compatible with common systems of electronic payments? Foreigners arriving with cash are at risk of robbery, fraud and violence; also there are customs limitations on cash import-export. But those who use cards, travel cheques and such other products may turn helpless where there’s no facility to have them processed.
(Local ATMs also tend to play naughty with foreign cards,.. if we give the [expiring] credit to the numerous complaints. Which complaints have become notorious as a marker excuse of the hoards who come on Pennypincher & Freerider Bridal Tours. If you find yourself a victim of technology, it’s advisable to fix the problem before you start dating, or struggle with it together with the girl.)
You’ll need such a bank still further on, unless you find a fat deal of local-bound work requiring no side incomes, and sufficient local supply of goods and services to sustain your “comfort zone”.
Let me mention here that postal service is a dire bottleneck in Former Soviet Union connectivity.
* Demographics, and crime rate. Are more children born? Don’t young people flee? Do incomes grow? Is violence subsiding? If not, it’s probably not the best place to live – even for hard-baked Former Soviet Russians!
(Who say, “After a nuclear war, it’s only we and roaches who’d survive.” In new economies, same mess remained, and more troubles added.)
* Industries, training, staff recruiting services. Job-hunting & freelancing Web portals. Does the region have optimistic economic prospects? Is there foreign investment and international activities? Are there multinational offices? How high is unemployment? What experts are needed? At what fee? How intensive the demand is?
Would YOU find a good occupation there? Would you find a VERY good occupation there if your Princess can’t or shouldn’t work? Would you have better prospects for the moment when you have children (and it may happen anytime!), and when her parents grow old and helpless (if not yet)? Or, maybe you can offer any bargain to the local businesses to become their partner?
Why not try arrange yourself a landing ground before leaping into nowhere?
Actually, I hate to speak “jobs”: humiliating-limited pay for whatever you have (not “can” or “want”) to do, recycling your time and person into the unmasterly master’s hands. Shady as Russian businessmaking may be (Dreiserian America’s Conquest XXI remake), employment is far more treacherous and lawlessly exploitative here: “put up or hit the road, complaisant workforce is waiting at the door”.
More considerations on expatriation, occupation and marriageable dating in “Pearl Diving”
* Housing. Real estate Web portals. Any apartments sold or rented? At what price? What do they look like? There’s no such fraud, scam, rattletraps disguised as “decent” property, and lousy public utilities like in the field of Post-Soviet real estate. Rent something or book a hotel through an established agency, make local friends, and have them help you to check out a neat abode of suitable quality / price ratio. Take professional care of paperwork.
Remember that the Head of Family is supposed to [sooner or later] provide a separate living space for his Family. The frequency of cases when a young Russian couple stays with parents doesn’t make this situation less afflictive and unstable.
Local orders make it quite unlikely for you to have a landplot and build a house in the woods. (Ok, let’s fantasize you do, and even find a way to get electricity… but no authority would bother bringing you running water and sewage! Yes, time to learn a folk euphemism “to go to the wind”.)
* Healthcare. Foreign insurance is paper. Local insurance is wishful thinking. Public healthcare is disaster (locals-only, anyway). Great national & municipal specialized medical institutes are great. Post-treatment service is mockers on them. Self-financed clinics are remedy.
Even if they don’t have their own websites in English or Russian, are there any institutes and clinics at least in the reference directory?
* Internet providers, and fair supply of power. The Cord I’ve mentioned. Many Russian people dream of living in the middle of nowhere and doing outwork, freelance or e-commerce anyelsewhere in the world. Which is quite plausible, yet at risk of those electricity blackouts and heating cut-offs that strike even the capitalliest Moscow (episodically) and hazard everything in province, – townwise, neighborhoodwise or even regionwise when some natural or industrial trouble happens.
* International civil lawyers and, desirably, a diplomatic entity. Corrupt bureaucracy is the nastiest part of Russian reality. When a foreigner is involved, they “like to” mess everything up more than they usually do (however unimaginable), send him to cleaners, but give no guarantee of his coming out clean with no more mess to face.
You may be as lucky as to never run into a street policeman who’ll go extorting a bribe on the grounds of assuming you are “rich and helpless”, but when it comes to putting on the functions of a member to the foreign society, especially doing any business, – just stay prepared for some “fun”.
Have I forgotten anything? )
Sincerely,
© Comrade Natalia
(…please link to this page when using some information from it! ;)




January 26, 2007 at 12:32 pm
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September 24, 2007 at 6:16 am
Hello Sweetie.
“(Ok, let’s fantasize you do, and even find a way to get electricity… but no authority would bother bringing you running water and sewage!”
Regarding building on rural plots of land. There are some alternate electricity generating methods, although not always independent of the grid.
Understanding that a little village of new homes can solve electrical service, then drilling for water and septic systems or special sewage systems can handle the other rural challenges.
Building on the outskirts of a large center allow for much lower housing costs as well as offering the benefits of reasonable access and proximity, 10-35 minutes, from the major center. The best of both worlds.
I’ll see soon about the differing characters of the various cities and villages. I still contend that these differences exist in all countries.
Natalia: One major difference between the countries… Gentrified settlements are comfy (only that expenses overtake quality). The prevailing rest of landscapes are developed at the level of summer huts (giving way to downmarket multiapartment construction), or resemble villages. Which means that these net 10-35 minutes may likely take you all the way of paper, engineering and road work to connect to the urbanity, with little chance of contribution or profitable service payment from the neighborhood. Just some more reference.
From what I read about danger and alcoholism, it’s a good thing I go there most recently from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia than Toronto. Basic training for the villages of hard knocks. In many places here the purpose of life is drinking and fighting… as in kick someone to death or nearly to death kind of fighting.
I can hardly imagine a Toronto metrosexual surviving in such “challenging” Russian environments. Better that the city boys stick to places where only impoverished street ladies yell at them for not buying her not-so-fresh garden produce.
Buy some anyways. It’ll restore her faith in chivalry. At least until you invite her for dinner consisting primarily of her past-their-prime vegetables.
You’re far too thorough Natalie. Which makes you either a Libra or a Virgo. Probably Virgo.
Natalia: Why should I speak having nothing to tell… ) Your Leo (with Scorpionic influence).
Sorry, no comment on the Chinese view of the cosmos.
Of course, I’m looking forward to my “safe” Aeroflot exit. Did someone mention the recent telecast of how often their planes have been crashing and having problems?
When they ask if I want a drink should I ask for Vodka or orange juice? I know that I can’t have a Screwdriver on board. Only terrorists have such things. I don’t drink. But the last time I flew, it made me wish I did.
Air pockets… a great way to test one’s belief in God or the other guy or complete denial. I didn’t hear anyone whispering, “Oh Nothing!” during the really fun parts.
Natalia: You might conclude that Russian men confess Pagan sexual cults. )) On the other hand, our casual “Gosh” stands for the whole vocabulary of English exclamatives.
Regarding your post’s introduction. Some people only ever talk and talk and talk about what I’m actually doing. Last time I heard, the doers make up only 1% of the Russian picture collectors.
I’ll wave when I pass by Kiev.
Natalia: Or even have a step at the Dnieper shore )
October 21, 2007 at 3:32 pm
I want to emigrate to Russia, can you help?
Natalia: Alas, this is beyond my power, as I live and practice in Ukraine.
March 26, 2008 at 5:27 am
Natalia, If you had to name a few cities worth while to go live to for all intents and purposes named on this entry, which would be?
If you can also drop me an email :) thanks.
T.
Natalia: Within my native jurisdiction, I would recommend Kiev (Kyiv) and Kharkov (Kharkiv) as most “civilized”, or Lvov (Lviv) as Euro-retro-quiet. These plus Dnepropetrovsk are the locations we intend to explore this summer to recruit brides from.
Joseph wants a home and a hotel in Alushta, – a cheap and seaside town at the hub of Crimean routes. I am warning about the menacing Crimean Tatar conflict, and high-season fever / low-season decay that affect economy and mores. Joseph is turning my attention to the construction boom, by foreign investors neighboring with Russian business sharks. He is in love with the Crimea, and I agree that its landscape and healing climate beat all world’s resorts. No wonder it’s been summer residence to Russian Tsars, aristocracy, thinkers and artists, Soviet chiefs, as well as a fashion of new Ukrainian establishment.
After years of doing business with St.Petersburg and marriage to a Siberian woman, Joseph came to believe in Ukraine (and not Russia) more than I do. )) He compares its opportunities to Klondike and early American capitalism only furnished with cutting-edge technology (owed to excellence at software piracy, and chase for upgraded equipment as a matter of consumer dignity). I’ve been on business and vacation to Europe and Australia, and I miss the class. OK, – sometime our cross-national headquarters are to swap the vantage points, and I guess it would benefit our audience. )
April 10, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Yo Comrade Natalie,
Even though you are personally decades from same, please ask around your circle of friends and co-workers and give advice on places to spend some retirement time. (In Ukraine.)
April 11, 2008 at 9:19 pm
I don’t know how far you are, Fritz, so may I address anyone interested in this question as “you”. )
Sure it depends on health, wealth, interests, but consider Western Ukraine, if you don’t mind learning some basics of Ukrainian. And on rainy spans, you’ll have time to.
If you need urban connection, look in / around Lviv.
If you’re into wilderness, then, doubtlessly, the Carpathian mountains, pre- or transCarpathia. Cleanest ecology, picturesque landscapes, cooler climate, kinder and politer people, though a bit nationalistic (that’s a trend westwise from the Dnieper, but a “far” foreigner is likely to be treated better than a Russian). Entertainments: white mushrooms, wild berries, trout fishing, mountain skiing.
No requisite to buy or build a house, like our President had done. “Eco-tourism” is becoming a popular business there. You can, for instance, rent a room at a family’s or settle at a private hotel, to enjoy garden foods, fresh dairy, room service, wrapped in genial care.
April 13, 2008 at 8:25 am
Dear Nat, (may I address you as that?)
Finally. Some concrete, practical advice! Million mercis beaucoups!
I have a few questions too personal to post. May I have a private email address for you? (And your firm. I’m not hitting on you!)
One question is probably of interest to more snoopers than me. Where can I find a list of current prices for goods and services in the Ukraine?? I have spent much fruitless time googling this question. I do understand that a dzn eggs will be a different price in Odessa and Kviv.
April 13, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Our prices are fluctuating upwards at every sneeze of politicians and Gazprom. Only tech stuff depreciates along with global progress. Also true that there are regional – as well as seasonal factors. With the uncertain dollar rate, that the National Bank tries to support but the commercial banks’ exchange desks are playing with sensitively (to the situation, not to customers), – I ought to hire a team of Nats for monitoring the market. How many travelers would pay it off? )
Shopping in the FSU takes some Russian nouns and numerals (or an interpretor), which serves you double. Russian-speaking Web has a growing lot of portals, specialized or comprehensive, for choosy consumers of goods and services. Foreign-oriented interface is currently expedient but to specific sellers or in research for businesses, – which makes your Google catch unsatisfying.
Now the good news.
Change has begun from the financial sector. For Ukraine, note finance.ua. Its English version has more net data than reports. There’s a currency converter by the rates of central (national) banks of Ukraine, Russia an Belarus, or of Forex, but you are going to use commercial banks, and here are to-date bid-ask exchange rates for practically all currencies into UAH.
As for hog & hominy, I found the sites of several Ukrainian chains that reflect their shelves on the Internet. You can see their catalogues with current prices for walk-in customers, and even shop online when you need foods, FMCG and other products delivered in Kyiv or beyond.
Where else can one buy and what is to expect of price and quality? It takes a full-weight post.
Personal consultations of mine or Doc Tamara’s are priced competitively. You can find my email on this page, point 7. Just move the cursor upon “email” and you’ll see it in the popup note, hidden from spambots.
April 15, 2008 at 3:19 am
Dear Nat (You didn’t answer my question if this is an acceptable salutation.)
Natalia: Sorry for my Russian reliance on hair-thin hinting. ) Yes, it’s OK.
In your (and your colleagues) opinions, how many USD’s does it take to GET BY in Ukraine, how many to live in secure comfort? I am looking for the individual respondent’s ideas of these terms, but they need not be stated. After a dozen or so responses I’ll have it figured out in my own terms.
Thanks in advance,
Fritz
Natalia: On this thread, I’ll add fresh snapshots on the costs of living.
April 17, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Street smarts for safety vs. hooligans and police
April 18, 2008 at 9:55 am
Living standards and human development:
loads of material from UNDP Russia
“Russia’s Regions: Goals, Challenges, and Achievements” – 2006 / 2007
Worldwide Cost of Living for Expatriates – 2007
Mercer:143 cities rated by “means-to-means”, “efficient” and “convenient” price indexes for 200 international-quality products and services.
# 1 – Moscow = 134.4
# 12 – St. Petersburg = 103
# 15 – New York City = 100 (base)
# 28 – Kiev = 91.4
#143 – Asuncion = 50
Yekaterinburg is self-estimated to join the top 50 expensive cities.
Expats’ and Locals’ Purchasing Power – 2006
UBS: 71 metropolis compared by the consolidated and categorized cost of 122 goods and services habitual to an average Western family, by housing prices, by hourly wages in 14 occupations, by payroll taxation and social security charges, and by leisure time (“Prices & Earnings” – full methodology + city ratings, PDF):
By gross / net hourly wage / net annual income
divided by the cost of the consumer basket (rent excluded):
# 1 – Zurich = 107.1 / 115.6 / 114.1
# 7 – New York = 100.0 (base for comparison)
#46 – Moscow = 30.4 / 38.8 / 34.4
#60 – Kiev = 20.2 / 24.3 / 22.2
#70 – Jakarta = 12.2 / 15.8 / 16.4
World’s richest cities by personal net earnings – 2008
Hardship Rating for Expatriates – 2007
Economist Intelligence Unit: 127 cities rated by 40 factors of health and safety, culture and environment, and infrastructure, including retail prices, crime rate and climate. (2005 list and methodology)
#1 – Vancouver
#75 – Moscow (2005’s #80 ≈ Shenzhen)
#80 – St.Petersburg (from #83 ≈ Rio de Janeiro)
#91 – Kiev (from #86 ≈ Sao Paulo)
#127 – Port-Moresby
Quality of Living – 2007
Mercer: 215 cities rated by 39 factors of security, political, social, economic and sociocultural environment, education, recreation, consumer goods, transport, housing and utilities, climate and ecology, health and sanitation. It is noted that the progress of the leaders moves the rest downwards on the scale.
#1 – Zurich
#48 – New York (base)
#164 – St.Petersburg
#166 – Kiev (past results: 163, 154)
#167 – Harare
#171 – Moscow
#188 – Maputo
#189 – Novosibirsk
#190 – Dar-as-Salam
#191 – Kazan
#215 – Baghdad (quoted by rbcdaily.ru)
“Clean” cities were also rated separately – by sewage & air pollution, waste removal, water potability, hospital services, medical supplies, infectious diseases. Here are the “dirtiest”, with a substantial presentation of Russia:
#1 – Baku
#2 – Dacca
#8 – Baghdad
#9 – Almaty
#13 – Bangui
#14 – Moscow
#23 – St.Petersburg
#25 – Novosibirsk
#33 – Kazan
10 worst polluted cities by Blacksmith Institute include Dzerzhinsk, Norilsk (Russia) and Chernobyl (Ukraine).
Kiev is reported to hold and multiply the laurels of Europe’s greenest city, with its 21 m2 of plantation per dweller. Of Kiev’s 83.558 hectares = 206.476,31 acres, 67.6% are occupied with parks (140 by number), public gardens and wood meadows.
Foreigners, even Russians, find its aura and pace irresistible. “Moscow is for working“, and for home and recreation many choose Kiev.
After all, it had been the spiritual source and centre of the Ancient Rus. Geologic structures and geomantic measurements fall with its reputation of an energy centre. And recent satellite photos discover that Kiev literally has its own face – a female profile! – with hubs and thoroughfares fit in its important features, and with “power places”, where signature monasteries stand, right on the eye and forehead…